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by **ChannelFadge** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:12 am

Back in the day I used to know how to put a basic page together in HTML, but it seems Ive forgotten it all.
Is there any websites where I can sort of input how I want the page to look, then it will give me some easy cut and paste html to use? I find typing over and over again very tiresome..........

by **muttoneer** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:54 am

Try a program called FirstPage by Evrsoft. That's what I use for the simple pages I need to put together :geek:

The free version is entirely functional, albeit with a nag screen.

http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage3.shtml

And I know what you mean about - when I'm making cache pages I always have that on the clipboard!

by **The Syllogiser** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:00 pm

I just use Wordpad for the text and introduce very simple html to place graphic / text - like in the middle of page / bigger / smaller
This gives a nice clean looking page that suits most browser window sizes >>>>>>>


 
<img border="0"
src="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/xantho_incisus/BillingeTrig1.jpg"
width="640" height="480" />
 
Using special equipment
OS LM #108 
.....etc...............

just substitute your placing = left / right / centre ~~~ sizes ~~~~~ font style / size

K I S S = Keep It Simple Stupid = works every time

by **gse1986** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:57 pm

The Syllogiser wrote:I just use Wordpad for the text and introduce very simple html to place graphic / text - like in the middle of page / bigger / smaller
This gives a nice clean looking page that suits most browser window sizes >>>>>>>


 
<img border="0"
src="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/xantho_incisus/BillingeTrig1.jpg"
width="640" height="480" />
 
Using special equipment
OS LM #108 
.....etc...............

just substitute your placing = left / right / centre CENTER~~~ sizes ~~~~~ font style / size

K I S S = Keep It Simple Stupid = works every time

Got to remember to use american spelling, otherwise bits won't work

by **Jungle Goddess** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:50 pm

Online HTML editor here

by **The Syllogiser** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:24 pm

got the c & p right but so used to typing ENGLISH :oops:

thanks

I use Frontpage 2003, Microsoft's last real web producer, but it's OTT for a simple one page job. I hate the flashing whizz-bang stuff - some use on GC.COM. I'm not quite sure what it is suppose to do . . impress ? .. nah .. Simple and clean works best. I wonder just what percentage actually do read it , and not just the co-ords .?.

by **PopUpPirate** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:14 pm

Got Firefox? Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1449

Works a whizz on cache listings - thanks to PLUCKED DUCK for that one

by **muttoneer** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:08 am

Ooh nice! Thumbs up for that one!

by **ChannelFadge** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:08 pm

Thanks for the help everyone!
The evrsoft is a GREAT help because I can design the page offline, Ive added the firefox plugin too, that will probably come in useful when I actually put it on the cache page

by **The Syllogiser** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:07 pm

http://netobjects.com/html/essentials.html

have a look at this one

by **Geotrotter** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:49 pm

The Syllogiser wrote:I use Frontpage 2003, Microsoft's last real web producer.

Sorry Don, Micro$oft and real web producer do not go hand in hand. :shock:

Frontpage had to be the worst webpage software package ever written. Even their own staff wouldn't use it. :lol:

There are quite a few reasonable pieces of software for free these days but, being a Mac user, I'll stick with Dreamweaver, Textwrangler & CSSEdit for my stuff.

(Textwrangler is actually free and is an excellent editor for html)

by **The Syllogiser** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:04 pm

Geotrotter wrote:Sorry Don, Micro$oft and real web producer do not go hand in hand. Frontpage had to be the worst webpage software package ever written. Even their own staff wouldn't use it.

Well I know almost what you mean ... but my last employer seemed to think I should be MS Cert' to advanced in Excel, Word, Access, Frontpage & Outlook, I really never knew why as I only ever wrote one package in Access for the Dept. Cost them £££££s for a simple database of the depts. resources, and a few letters & reports .... (and I got freebee licenced copies over the years from Office 97 to 2003 , to use at home - :lol:

{gift horse in mouth})

I like Dreamweaver better, but both are far more than is required for producing 'home' webpages. I also use Joomla for a club site I run, magazine style format, really easy to make 'nice' looking pages. I don't rate it for GC.COM pages though.

by **JeremyR** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:37 am

Real coders do it in Notepad :ugeek:

Oh go on then, maybe Textpad but that's about as advanced as I go. Incidentally, it's made by a Preston company

by **The Syllogiser** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:42 am

JeremyR wrote:
Real coders do it in Notepad

Oh go on then, maybe Textpad but that's about as advanced as I go. Incidentally, it's made by a Preston company

by **ferreter38** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:38 pm

JeremyR wrote:
Real coders do it in Notepad

Oh go on then, maybe Textpad but that's about as advanced as I go. Incidentally, it's made by a Preston company

I use Edit pad or Notepad...

by **Team SLuG** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:09 pm

JeremyR wrote:Real coders do it in Notepad

It's a good line, but I haven't met a coder/programmer who uses it for any more than about 30 seconds. If it's a very quick change then Notepad will do at a pinch, but after that its deficiencies certainly make it harder to use than to load a proper editor. I use it if I want to write a very quick line (a kind of extended clipboard), but any more than this I'll use a proper editor: EditPlus has been my choice over the last 10 years. I've tried others but always ended up back with EditPlus. HTML Kit isn't bad, but can be a bit bloated and not always intuitive.

I used Dreamweaver for a few months, but eventually dropped it. It's good for a team of developers, but the version I used (this was a few years ago) was pants with CSS integration, and I couldn't afford to keep on paying out huge sums to try and keep up. WYSIWG web design programs aren't really WYSIWG. What you see may be what you get, but just about everyone else will see it differently, leading you into a false sense that you've got it right. This is a big difference from the print world, where you can be sure that your PDF/Postscript file will print the same, whereas web designers have a whole range of browsers/versions/colour depth/screen size/window size to contend with.

by **ChannelFadge** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:52 pm

Okay ive got my page all laid out nicely, the GC.com page editor is a bit of a pain to use, theres no preview button and it squashes the page into a narrow area so even using Xinha (which is really helpful), the page doesnt turn out right so it takes a lot of trial and error to get the layout right. Im not talking about flashy stuff, just aligning pictures with text and stuff like that.
got there in the end though :geek:

by **PopUpPirate** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:38 pm

If you've got GSAK, it's inbuilt Macro Editor is handy for quick rough-n-ready editing... I've got it as my default offline viewer for a good many file types (php, for one)

Also install Notepad++ just cos it's generally miles better - let it associate with any file type it can do

by **JeremyR** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:54 pm

Team SLuG wrote:web designers have a whole range of browsers/versions/colour depth/screen size/window size to contend with.

Not to mention IE6 :twisted:

And that the goalposts are constantly shifting one way and then the other.

Yes, the Notepad thingy is just a quip but 'real coders do it in a text editor' doesn't have quite the same ring to it

by **Team SLuG** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:26 am

JeremyR wrote:Not to mention IE6

I'll see your IE6 and raise you with an NN4!

I'll happily bash IE with their inconsistencies and errors, and IE6 hacks and alternate style sheets were/are a pain, but Netscape Navigator 4 was pretty awful too, and it drove people to IE! (those who had worked out how to replace the built-in browser with a free magazine disc alternative that is). :twisted:

by **El Aguila** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:25 pm

Try this site for a shed load of info on html - I taught myself to do it but keep my geocaches simple - suits my needs - - have seen some Spanish geocaches which are a work of art but far too much information to wade through to reach the nitty gritty - even worse when your Spanish is crap - like mine - so have to translate it all to find out about the cache - I also use photobucket to download photo's from as it would not work if downloaded from my own files.

Like they say - KISS!!!!!

http://www.w3schools.com/

It even has tutorials to work through - if you want to do them????

by **The Syllogiser** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:15 pm

Would you dawgone believe it - Geocaching Resources for the UK & Ireland

go on - you just know it's what you want ...... :lol:

by **Guanajuato** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:27 am

For the 2nd time... For some reason at the moment the first time I click on a submit button (don't think its site specific) it seems to just clear what I've just typed! Anyway...

Does anyone actually write pages by hand in HTML any more? Most websites seem to be full of pointlessly complex code. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
When I put my first HTML pages together (for a company intranet site of Engineering standards) I used Sizzling Jalfrezi. The other person doing the work was the guy who put that website together. It covers all the basics, almost as a dictionary of HTML code.

To me, HTML wasn't actually anything new - I'd grown up giving my dad a hand using LaTeX to set a variety of documents and the principles are very similar. And Wordperfect could be used in a similar way as well. HTML wasn't really a new invention, it was just using something that already existed in a new way. :ugeek:

by **alicephilippa** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:43 am

There are some jobs for which LaTex still wins hands down. I used it (LaTex2e rather than LaTex3) to do all my assignments at university.

The joys of things like (from rusty memory):
\document[A4]{article}
\title{Equine Genetics: Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis}
\author{Alice Philippa Chapman}
.
.
.
\section{Introduction}
.
.
.
and so on.

In a way HTML is no different it's just a case of remembering what the tag are to do something. Writing style sheet is the art though these days as the fun is redefining the standard tags, so if you really wanted your <h1> could be in huge flashing underlined bold italic red comic sans text...

by **Team SLuG** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:32 am

Guanajuato wrote:Does anyone actually write pages by hand in HTML any more?

My first answer is yes, but it's often either buried within PHP, or is just a basic template into which the PHP code will create the content, but it's still handcoded...

...except there seems less of a requirement for basic HTML sites, and more for Content Management Systems, such SilverStripe, or forums, wikis etc, and therefore the only HTML work is often a little tinkering under the hood. These days it's often easier on a full site to use a CMS someone else has written (and tested and maintained by many, many users) than to write your own from scratch.

alicephilippa wrote:Writing style sheet is the art though these days as the fun is redefining the standard tags, so if you really wanted your <h1> could be in huge flashing underlined bold italic red comic sans text...

Indeed, it's the CSS skills which set sites apart, and CSS standardisation has taken websites to a different level. Once we can ignore legacy issues and concentrate on a single defined standard, we will be closer to WYSIWYG than ever before.

by **JeremyR** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:45 pm

Guanajuato wrote:Does anyone actually write pages by hand in HTML any more? Most websites seem to be full of pointlessly complex code. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

[pedant] I don't. I write XHTML by hand

[/pedant]

Seriously, as I mentioned above, my coding is almost exclusively done in TextPad. Most sites I write (including the TB race site) are coded in PHP and templated with Smarty. Almost all the source code I write is by hand. I've used more 'advanced' tools like Dreamweaver before and to be honest, I find all the bells and whistles just get in the way.

And yes, CSS is lovely

by **clotguy** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:38 pm

JeremyR wrote:
Guanajuato wrote:Does anyone actually write pages by hand in HTML any more? Most websites seem to be full of pointlessly complex code. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

[pedant] I don't. I write XHTML by hand [/pedant]

Seriously, as I mentioned above, my coding is almost exclusively done in TextPad. Most sites I write (including the TB race site) are coded in PHP and templated with Smarty. Almost all the source code I write is by hand. I've used more 'advanced' tools like Dreamweaver before and to be honest, I find all the bells and whistles just get in the way.

And yes, CSS is lovely

Jeremy, I'm having a problem with this forum
every time I read it I find myself zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oops see it happened again :lol:

by **The Syllogiser** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:49 pm

Got to agree with you steve = this was the question =

ChannelFadge wrote:Back in the day I used to know how to put a basic page together in HTML, but it seems Ive forgotten it all.
Is there any websites where I can sort of input how I want the page to look, then it will give me some easy cut and paste html to use? I find typing over and over again very tiresome..........

This is the sort of answer that MOST cachers wanted = http://www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk/resou ... codes.html

I know some like to wax lyrical about their favourite programs etc. etc. etc. etc. z z z z z

--- BUT --

the guy wanted a SIMPLE answer to a SIMPLE question ....

He asked for HELP ---- not more HEADACHES :lol:

by **JeremyR** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:11 pm

Team SLuG wrote:I'll see your IE6 and raise you with an NN4!

http://ie6funeral.com/
/me plays the funeral march.

If only. The old bugger will be around for a while yet, I'd imagine :roll:

The Syllogiser wrote:I know some like to wax lyrical about their favourite programs etc. etc. etc. etc. z z z z z

You can't stop a geek rattling on about text editors, Don, it's what we do

by **ferreter38** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:18 pm

JeremyR wrote:
Guanajuato wrote:Does anyone actually write pages by hand in HTML any more? Most websites seem to be full of pointlessly complex code. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

[pedant] I don't. I write XHTML by hand [/pedant]

Seriously, as I mentioned above, my coding is almost exclusively done in TextPad. Most sites I write (including the TB race site) are coded in PHP and templated with Smarty. Almost all the source code I write is by hand. I've used more 'advanced' tools like Dreamweaver before and to be honest, I find all the bells and whistles just get in the way.

And yes, CSS is lovely

Yes I do... love CSS

takes all the sweat out of doing web pages

One thing I hate is when the web page author forces you to use their text size, not good for folk with impaired vision, they should he able to zoom in if they need to.

I use Edit Pad.

Don't like these fancy programmes that insert loads of unnecessary sh*te all over the page... I end up thinking WTF is all that about?

by **PopUpPirate** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:42 pm

With firefox hold CTRL and roll your mousewheel to instantly zoom in and out

by **Team SLuG** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:50 pm

PopUpPirate wrote:With firefox hold CTRL and roll your mousewheel to instantly zoom in and out

...or for keyboard junkies and laptop users CTRL+/CTRL- (with CTRL0 to reset)

by **JeremyR** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:55 pm

I think she meant naive people who develop on a 1024x768px screen, specify font-size:10pt; in the CSS and then presume that everybody can read that because it looks just fine on their monitor. Of course, 10pt is pretty darn small at say 1600x1200px...

Of course, the proper way to do it is to use either relative sizes or em's :geek:

The page-scaling tool in Firefox is pretty neat, though. It also remembers each website's zoom setting so you don't have to re-zoom every time you visit the site.

by **alicephilippa** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:07 am

Bad news is that xinha doesn't yet work with firefox 3.6 :S

by **ChannelFadge** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:35 am

how does this look?

GC24V3C

P.S. does anyone know the HTML code to make all the text flash in different colours and to move left and right all over the screen?

by **JeremyR** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:45 am

There is a way to make text flash but I can't bring myself to explain it how it works :lol:

Google is your friend :twisted:

by **Team SLuG** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:33 am

ChannelFadge wrote:P.S. does anyone know the HTML code to make all the text flash in different colours and to move left and right all over the screen?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **The Syllogiser** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:11 am

ChannelFadge wrote:how does this look? GC24V3C

P.S. does anyone know the HTML code to make all the text flash in different colours and to move left and right all over the screen?

Guess Flash is for that sort of application

by **JeremyR** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:40 pm

The Syllogiser wrote:Guess Flash is for that sort of application

really cheesy geocities-esque effect!
:oops:

by **alicephilippa** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:10 pm

Let us not forget. Oh please let us forget the <marquee> tag...
<marquee bgcolor=orange width=200 height=20 direction=right behavior=alternate scrollamount=5> Moving Text Tag </marquee>

by **Jungle Goddess** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:36 pm

Now look here! I struggle enough to see my bloomin' screen without you daft beggars messing about! I'm getting on a bit ya know! :lol:

by **The Syllogiser** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:39 pm

Jungle Goddess wrote:Now look here! I struggle enough to see my bloomin' screen without you daft beggars messing about! I'm getting on a bit ya know!

We're not talking about "that" sort of Flashing .... calm down ... :roll:

by **JeremyR** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:08 pm

Jungle Goddess wrote:Now look here! I struggle enough to see my bloomin' screen without you daft beggars messing about! I'm getting on a bit ya know!

I suspect we were both a tad embarrassed to be disclosing the abominations to design and usability that are blinking text and scrolling marquees on the web :lol:

by **alicephilippa** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:53 pm

JeremyR wrote:
Jungle Goddess wrote:Now look here! I struggle enough to see my bloomin' screen without you daft beggars messing about! I'm getting on a bit ya know!

I suspect we were both a tad embarrassed to be disclosing the abominations to design and usability that are blinking text and scrolling marquees on the web

I suspect so. Thankfully the web as is is not Geocities.

:lol:

by **ferreter38** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:32 pm

JeremyR wrote:I think she meant naive people who develop on a 1024x768px screen, specify font-size:10pt; in the CSS and then presume that everybody can read that because it looks just fine on their monitor. Of course, 10pt is pretty darn small at say 1600x1200px...

Of course, the proper way to do it is to use either relative sizes or em's

Exactly... got it in one. I like to be able to zoom and font size also enlarges or vice versa, which how all the NFWS web pages are done. I adopted that style very early on when I first started doing HTML and XHTML. Firefox doesn't like the drop shadow I've used on the pages titles - the pages actually look better on IE.

by **ferreter38** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:35 pm

The Syllogiser wrote:
ChannelFadge wrote:how does this look? GC24V3C

P.S. does anyone know the HTML code to make all the text flash in different colours and to move left and right all over the screen?

Guess Flash is for that sort of application

Do you want an honest opinion?

My first impression was WTF... it doesn't make me want to do the cache :shock:

I thought you were going to do proper HTML and you've used an editor after all :shock:

by **PopUpPirate** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:44 pm

Haha! That's mental!! Can't really say it's an example of perfect coding, but it's p*** funny! (Though I do get entirely where Sheila is coming from also)

To scroll, you need MARQUEE tags. You can make it scroll left or right.

http://www.hscripts.com/tutorials/html/marquee1.php

by **ChannelFadge** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:07 pm

ferreter38 wrote:HTML and you'

...UHH... I clicked the quote button and thats all it quoted... :shock:

I was just being silly, I actually wanted the html for my other caches to help with layout.
Ive changed the page now. I wasnt actually going to use the marquee/blink code.... But maybe for a later cache.... :twisted:

by **PopUpPirate** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:13 pm

Awww you've changed it!! I preferred the mayhem!!!

by **ferreter38** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:48 am

PopUpPirate wrote:Awww you've changed it!! I preferred the mayhem!!!

Ummm... I sort of prefered t'other one, even though I didn't like that one! I don't do sideways scrolling to view a page, which I also had to do with your first attempt.
What size VDU and resolution are you using? My laptop is a widescreen 15" - resolution 1366 x 768.

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